, or they are the common voters wanting to get access and not being able to do that. >> president obama having round table discussions $40,000 a head with the api community, he did one, he did a couple with the tech community. i mean, these became very specific events and josh is right. the old days of candidates having free, public events at least in california, where we don't matter, you've seen how many events they done in ohio in the last couple of days. we've been a footnote. >> i wonder, carla, you're watching the presidential race more than anything. i mean, we're sitting here talking about this dynamic of what happens, do we have maybe a split, a popular vote in the electoral college, there's an interesting theory out there, that california may not matter electoral college wise but let's say california voters don't care about voting for the president, which i don't think is going to happen, it would depress the popular vote and we would have a split decision. i'm not saying that's going to happen, but at a certain point, he's got to care about us, right? >> at a certain point, you're right, john.